I can't beleive these people commenting that Sony should not release their PS4 yet because they've just purchased a PS3... The PS3 has been out for 6 years now, why should the rest of us wait because you've just decided now to buy a console?

I bought my PS3 when it first came out and now it's really starting to show its age. Apart from being worn out (noisy fan/overheating problems, not reading discs well) the graphics look horrible compared to what is acheivable on PC these days!

The graphics were fine when it was released, however now that so many people are gaming on big TVs the flaws are much more noticable.

I'll buy a PS4 as soon as they come out, as long as there is a big increase in performance (and back comp) but if they don't release one soon I may convert to PC gaming for good. I love the simplicity of a game console however I've already spent over $500 on a mechanical gaming keyboard, mouse and conrollers for PC and the graphics look insanely good on my 60" TV

Sony said that they will still produce games for the pd3, and (as I think) it is much likely that they will do as nintendo did with the 3DS and DS. Making games for both systems, so no worry!

We do not need it the PS3 already does everything it would be a waste of a gaming concles to build a PS4. There should be no more made I know playstation is behind in sales but do to Xboxes ond Wiis inferity playstation will ketchup to them.

We do not need it the PS3 already does everything it would be a waste of a gaming concles to build a PS4. There should be no more made I know playstation is behind in sales but do to Xboxes ond Wiis inferity playstation will ketchup to them.

I am kind of happy because I will get all of those games I wanted really cheap and they will still make new game like they did with the ps2.

I just bought a PS3 2 years ago and im not ready to give that up just yet!

I don't want a PS4 now! make more games instead!

UGGHH!!!

I am angered by the fact that the ps4 will publish in 2012, i mean i have waited untill i can buy one untill now theyre going to publish it, idk if to wait for the ps4 or buy the damn ps3, screw you sony

i think the spectrum 000 with sd graphics is bestest console in de welt! i play with my nerf gun all day long and my gf is filing for amadivorce eish wena hau hau!

ps3 have to stay ps4 will ruin evevrythin

LOL, the console wars have begun allready it seems

PS4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Trap_The_Drum_Wonder/PlayStation_4
Xbox 720: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Trap_The_Drum_Wonder/Xbox_720
Wii U: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U

Oh the Great Battle Between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo who will win well we will just have to wait however ill give you some facts about the consoles, however The 720 and PS4's Facts may be off a little but here it is.

Playstation 4:

Developer Sony Computer Entertainment
Manufacturer Sony, Foxconn, ASUSTeK and IBM for SCEI
Product family PlayStation
Type Video game console
Generation Eighth generation
Retail availability 2012 - 2018
Media Download, HVD
Operating system XrossMediaBar, PlayStation 4 system software
CPU 8.04 GHz POWER7 Cell Broadband Engine or CBE 2 with 4 PPE & 8 SPEs
Storage capacity SSD, Cloud Computing
Graphics 600 MHz NVIDIA/SCEI RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' RSX 2
Controller input DualShock 4, PS Move
Connectivity
IEEE 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 4.0
Wired gigabit Ethernet
Online services PlayStation Network
Backward
compatibility PS1, PS2, PS3
Predecessor PlayStation 3

Desc: The PlayStation 4 or PS4 will be the eighth generation video game console developed by Sony Computer Entertainment and manufactured by Sony Corporation Sony Electronics division. The console will be the successor to the PlayStation 3 and (according to PSW[1]) it will be twice as powerful with a similar size to the Wii. The PlayStation 4 competes with Microsoft's Xbox 720 and Nintendo's Wii U as part of the eighth generation of video game consoles. According to rumors, Sony desires to put the PS4 on the market by 2011, E3 2011 at Sony Conference. although no announcement has been made. In April 2011, Sony allegedly confirmed that the Playstation 4 will be released in Japan on May 16, 2012 and released in the US on October 23, 2012.
Concept art for the console has been produced by graphic designer, Tai Chiem[2]. As displayed, the futuristic look of the eighth generation console consists of a spherical screen and a 'knell touch screen panel.'
Console Race

Sony is in competition with Microsoft to bring a next-gen console to the market. Sony realised that when Microsoft released the Xbox 360 with a relatively cheap engine, this allowed Microsoft to capture a healthy chunk in the gaming market.
Also the PlayStation 3 is a distance away from the Wii in the market (especially in East Asia). This made Sony to think as to making a smaller console, as the Japanese buyers prefer smaller platforms.
While the PlayStation 3 has only recently been released and has its best days still ahead of it, Sony is not one to rest on its laurels, and with the intense competition in the video game world, plans for the PlayStation 4's future release are already being put into motion. In fact not only is the PlayStation 4 getting this treatment, but even the PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 6 are in the early stages of planning and conceptualization at Sony’s R&D labs.
While Sony has not released any official information concerning the system’s future launch, the generally accepted release date is pegged as late 2012, which would follow the trend of Sony’s previous console generations. The PlayStation 1 was first released in late 1994 in Japan and 1995 throughout the rest of the world. The PlayStation 2 hit stores in 2000, giving the PS1 a retail shelf life of 6 years from its Japanese launch. Likewise, the PlayStation 3 came out in 2006, 6 years after the release of the PS2. Following this trend that Sony has established would give us a late 2012 release for the PS4.
It’s possible that how the PlayStation 3 fares in the current console war may also determine the release date of the PS4, for a couple of reasons. If the system continues to flounder in 3rd place in the console wars, failing to generate the revenue which was initially expected of it, Sony may be far more eager to cut their losses and rush the PS4 to market sooner rather than later, possibly as early as late 2011.
If the PS3 does indeed fail to make ground on the Wii and Xbox 360, it may also convince Sony to try and jump the gun on the next generation console wars and get their system out the door first. Both the PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2, which dominated their generations of the console wars, came to market at the same time or earlier than their competition. The PlayStation 1 was launched just after the Sega Saturn, and well before the Nintendo 64, while the PlayStation 2 was released before both the Xbox and Nintendo Gamecube.
This enabled Sony to get a head start on the competition and gave developers time to build their skills at developing games for the console, to the point that even as more powerful consoles came after, games released on the older system were just as good technically, providing no real incentive for players to move to the new consoles.
In a recent interview, Doom and Quake creator John Carmack speculated that Sony will likely attempt to be first to the dance floor with their new console, before Microsoft launches their next console. As talked about above, there is plenty of rationale in this line of thinking. On the other hand, Sony has long maintained they have a long-term plan for the PS3, and with the lower production costs of the new slim model PS3, and the increased sales of the new version, the PS3 may just be coming into its own. Whether Sony will try to launch before Microsoft (by all accounts Nintendo will actually launch first, but they’re not considered direct competition to the others like Sony and Microsoft are to each other) remains to be seen.
In an interview with GameSpot at 2010's E3, Activision COO Thomas Tippl shed some up-to-date, though still quite vague light, on the PS4's future release. When asked when he expected the next generation consoles to release, Tippl stated that it was unlikely they would see release within the next 2-3 years, as Activision still had no information on any new consoles. With development times for next gen games running 2-3 years on average, it makes sense that if the new consoles will come with third party games at launch (a near certainty), it will be at least 2 years from the time third parties first get the development toolkits in their hands to the point where the console releases. In the meantime all we can do is speculate and continue to wait.
Playstation inventor Ken Kutaragi, as chairman and group CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. is already thinking ahead to Playstation 4 and beyond. In an exclusive interview with EE Times, Kutaragi said: "As a matter of course, I have the vision of Playstation 4, 5 and 6, which will merge into the network." [3]
[edit]Games

Rumours suggest that games will be retailed online via the PlayStation Network. Meaning that all PS4 games will be downloaded and that no packaging or BD cases or boxes are to be made with the new eighth generation games. However, a recent article explains why this rumor will not become reality.[4]
There is no information on backward compatibility just yet, but presumably, the PS4 should be able to play games of the previous generations: PS1, PS2, PS3.
According to PS4info exclusive games such as Killzone, Uncharted and Little Big Planet will all most likely return to the console in astonishing graphics with incredible gameplay.
The former head of Sony Worldwide Studios, Phil Harrison, made some interesting comments about the next generation of Playstation game consoles. Harrison believes that next-gen consoles, like PlayStation 4, will steer away from the current generation of consoles in a multitude of ways, one of which is game media. Instead of spending fifty-bucks for a disc, you’ll charge a credit card or use points to purchase rights to stream a game, similar to Netflix. [5]
[edit]'Forward Compatibility'

There is speculation over the PS4 containing forward compatibility of the next-gen platform Xbox 720. This could improve PS3 games drastically: the level of re-draw being vastly improved, or the possibility of multiplayer games being able to feature thirty two players online instead of sixteen.
This should utilize the PS3 games and modernize them to similarise the eighth generation games. But predictably, this doesn't appeal to Sony as customers wouldn't be as keen to buy the new games - instead just play on their old ones.
[edit]Cell Processor Platform

SCEI has officially chosen IBM’s currently in development POWER7 architecture for its PlayStation 4 system (stated in an article on ps3clan.nl[6]), currently scheduled for a 2012 worldwide release. IBM shall debut POWER7 for the server market in the summer of 2010. The PlayStation 4 shall use a cost effective version of the architecture custom designed for Sony’s specific needs.
The only information FGNOnline currently has available regarding specifications and performance is that the PS4 implementation of the chip shall use 6-8 cores, 24-32MB shared L3 Cache, Quad threading per core, and a double precision performance approaching 200GFLOPS. The CELL chip which powers the PS3 is capable of 15 double precision GFLOPS. This would give the PS4 a performance leap of over 10 fold over its predecessor.
Interestingly, the primary reason IBM cancelled development on the CELL based PoweXcell 8i is because of SCEI’s change of stance. The company wanted to move away from the exotic architecture employed for the PS3 to a more traditional architecture favoured by third party developers. As displayed by its choice of processors, the server based POWER7 and the TBDR based PowerVR 6, SCEI once again has sights set for performance leadership in the next round.
[edit]Release Date

The PS4 may come earlier then most expect, although there hasn't been a fixed date set for the Playstation 4. According to PS4Info, the console will hit the stores near the end of 2012 making the difference between the PS3 and PS4 six years. Albeit Sony says PS3 has a ten year life cycle, so it won't be released until at least late 2011.

The PS3 was voted one of the most underrated consoles of all time and the 360 one of the Most overrated Consoles of all time but i think its Playstations time to take the rightful crown back home so this is my Prediction of sales Ranking:

1st:PS4
2nd:Wii U
3rd:720

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i don't think they've pushed the ps3's limits. there is still alot the ps3 can do it's only been 5 yrs. all's they need to do is upgrade the system & make more bigger games

Bitch the ps3 is so better than the x-box

We are forgetting that the first consoles were solid-state cartridge-based games.
From Atari 2600/5200 thru NES, SNES, N64.
The N64 was the last to use cartridge-based games and it was NO slouch. It had Mario, Killer Instinct, Mortal Kombat, to name a few. Those games graphic-intensive as well.
With the weakness of cd/dvd being subseptible to scratches, etc -game manufacturers should consider going old-school.
Call me foolish, but portable game consoles, dig. cameras, even cellphones use a stick with info accessible with NO moving parts.
If you have problems reading a SD card from your dig. camera, just run an eraser over the contacts to clean them.
New Hard-drives just hitting the market are Solid-State with no moving parts.
This will be interesting to see what happens.

if any 1 thinks that we should stick with the ps3 your wrong we are working on 5 year old hardware example bf3 looks stunning on pc whereas ps3 has made many cutbacks it really is starting 2 show its age if u cant see that then u need 2 go get some milk and cookies and get back in bed if they released it late 2012 then that would be spot on giving the ps3 a 6 year life span enough said and to the people who dissagree in what way would it effect u if the ps4 come out the ps3 isnt going to dissapear they will continue to makes games for it just like the ps2

Despite what the Micro-softheads may say about "the PS3's lack of sucsess" what they should remember is that the PS3 has a larger active install base than the 360-basically, more 360s are being bought, but more PS3s are actually being used. The only reason the Wii has more sold units than the PS3 is because, when it was first released, it appeared to be the best thing since sliced bread (which I find a curious term since slided bread is usually awful) and were nattering "ZOMG WII IS TEH EPICNESS OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ETC". Everyone that was going to buy one bought one, and later realised what a complete waste of time it was. Virtually no-one actually uses their Wiis anymore, and even fewer buy them now. When Playstation Move and Kinect came out, poor old Nintendo Wii's fate was sealed. It's major selling point, which had made it so original...was no longer original.

As for the 360? Well, I've played on my cousin's 360 and it sounds like a freakin' helicopter. The 360's unreliability is infamous, which will hurt 720 sales.

The PS3, on the other hand, looks like it could last a while. Despite the hack incident (which makes me shameful that my post is listed as anonymous-if you get my drift)it's done marvellously, and given that the PS2 was still alive and kicking long after the PS3 was released, so it's likely the same will happen with the PS3. Heck, the PS3 and PS4 may even be compatible!

My advice to the main software companies for their new releases would be this:

Sony: Get the PS4 in first, but don't rush it and make it rubbish. Keep the features that made the PS3 great (free online play, Blu-Ray, LittleBIGPlanet, reliability and quietness)whilst being prepared to evolve. If you bring out a new controller design, keep the Dualshock available. And make sure we can still play LittleBIGPlanet 2!

Microsoft: Don't just chuck out loads and loads of 720 exclusives that are really quite rubbish-the 360 may have more games than the PS3, but the PS3 exclusives are far superior to the 360 exclusives. Don't rush the 720 like you did the 360, and end up producing a shoddy, noisy machine that futher stains your already unenviable reputation. Make Xbox Live free.

Nintendo: Try making a "regular" console-you have the technology base, so use it on making the console good, rather than wasting it on cheap gimmicks. Bring out some non-kiddy games, and expand your audience beyond those of 7 years old. And for logic's sake, please give your new console a sensible name.

Apple, HTC, Samsung and other such companies: Heck, try making a games console, just for fun. Who knows-it might be really good. But don't be too constrained about who you allow to develop software for it.

Atari: Come back to us. If you returned from the ashes, your console would be extremely popular.

And just one, final thought to chew over:

What would Windows have been like if it was made by Sony?

im just wondering if they have a solution(s) for that dreaded RING OF DEATH. I just cant imagine investing on an expensive gaming console only to be wasted by such HUMAN ERROR OR COMPUTER GLITCH IN THE PROCESSES. I Hope they find way(s) avert any PROCARDIA for the gamers on the upcoming PS4...

dont release too early and end up with RROD. Dont release to late and end up with ps3 consumer results. IF those are the controllers you can shove it. Backwards compatability or you can shove it. Stupid Fanboy right under me

I am not sure where the data on this site is coming from:

PS3: "as though considered to be far more powerful than the Xbox 360"

There hasn't been a single document to support this statement. The initial marketing by Sony combined CPU and GPU output of the PS3 because the numbers were lower than the XBOX360. The XBOX360 "supposedly" has a 3 core "Cell"-like PowerPC chip with multiple SIMD units per core. The PS3 has (according to Sony) a SINGLE core (at 3.2GHz just like XBOX360) with 7 SIMD units.

Many consumers initially believe the PS3 had 7 or 8 "cores" though a SIMD unit is like comparing a graphic calculator to a windows computer - it is capable of VERY limited instructions. (that is the point of them, do one simple thing - FAST)

Supposedly the XBOX360 has a slightly more capable GPU - though it now (2011) is only as capable as the current generation of integrated graphics. Computer gamers laugh at people that try to play even simple games on integrated graphics. 8 Gigatexels? 4 Gigapixels?? C'Mon I paid $5 after rebate with free shipping for a computer video card a few weeks back that was roughly 70% as "powerful".

In the next few weeks a SINGLE GPU will hit the market that produces 169 Gigatexels of texture output - 21x faster than the current consoles. For a card that is 10x more powerful than that of the current consoles it is around $300 currently.

Why waste $300 on a console when you can get 10x more graphics output for the same price???

I simply do not understand it - the consoles are obsolete: computers now can fit in a small box on top of your TV and put out insane graphics and when you are done playing that game, you can check your email. OR, you could pay $400 for a console that only plays games... the rest of the time it is useless. like a toaster that can't make bagels.

I have personally always been a nintendo person. Gameboy, gamecube, N64, Super nintendo. I got the ps2 however a couple months before the ps3 came out so i felt kinda cheated cause everyone was like "oh YAY! ps2 ps2!" then suddenly the ps3 came out and i was left with the ps2 and the only games that came out. Lets be realistic, no more games came out for ps2. So Its been a couple years and i'm really hoping this PS4 is gonna be good, if its not then i'll go get that ps3, but i feel like not that many games came out for the ps3 at all. atleast any good ones.
I think Sony should really set a specific date so people dont give up eventually buy the ps3 then the ps4 comes out a week later and theyre stuck with an old console.
now I borrow my boyfriends ps3 and play black ops and i gotta say I love it!! its a great console and all,but im not willing to spend so much money on something when i have the ps2.
What Sony should do is with the PS4 make it compatible with their ps3 games. So that they can play those games on their ps4 and that way they don't lose their old fun games and they'll have no problem switching over to the ps4.

I think Sony may release it's PlayStation 4 in late 2011 if the PlayStation 3 doesn't get pushed to it's full extent. If PlayStation 3 becomes a big success, Sony will probably release the PlayStation 4 in Spring or Summer of 2012. Nintendo probably won't have the best console this round because of the success of the Wii. The Wii 2, or Wiivolution, will probably be a medium sized upgrade to the hardware and software allowing more access to the internet and maybe no more motion controllers. This isn't going to be Nintendo's battle. I see the Xbox 720 being about the same as the PlayStation 4, but I think PlayStation 4 will have the edge. Each console will be pushed to the full extent with the current technology with many software updates. I predict Sony will barely win this battle against the Xbox 720. At times Xbox 720 will be better, but PlayStation 4 will probably firmly hold onto first place with Xbox 720 right behind it while Nintendo toys around further down the charts. Nintendo will make huge updates to their Wiivolution after they see their competition.It would be nice to see Apple make a game console.

Capability will be the determinator, yes the determinator of the next gen PS4, Xbox(insert ridiculous #), WiiHD. Regardless of the PS3's current success, the core hardware of the PS3 is ahead of its time. The Xbox and the Wii are still playing on old technology with a red wavelength DVD drive, smaller media capacity (ie. Wii only stabily supporting 2GB memory cards), and outdated AV hardware.

The core components of the PS3 were and are currently the best stable setup in the gaming and high-end computing worlds (Core Processor Excluded of course :].

Sony had an opportunity with the PS3 Slim release to give the console a refreshed 10+ year lifespan but chose not to.

Here is what SHOULD have happend with the PS3 Slim to achive godliness in the game console:

- Gigabit LAN support (for media streaming more than gaming)
- Wireless N 300MB support (same as above)
- Let alone the ability to install secondary OS
- Incorporated better network server support (to compete with Xbox Media Extender)
- Bring back OPTION for back-compatability

Obviously Sony didn't do any of the above with the Slim so I'm expecting these items to be topics of converstaion in the PS4. That being said, other than a few hardware mods, all Sony really has to do to keep the PS3 alive is continue their Software upgrades for free because the hardware is already top-of-the-line and all other console manufacturers are still playing catch up.

2012 is a good date release for the next gen for sony sinse the others will probably lauch around that time, especially microsoft which its console shows aging against ps3 exclusives, sony need to develop a console for that deadline. the one desperates are microsoft which lost bungie and valve, epic games multiplat bulletstorm, ninja gaiden sigma says hello running @ 720p which in 360 runs @ laughable 500p with way less content in 360 along with other games releasing in ps3 better than the 360 version.

I agree Nintendo should go all out in the next console war. I would like to see all the consoles get over the motion controller hog wash. What a gimmick really. As for Sony for the love of god try making reducing the load times of your games a freaking priority for the ps4 maybe go heavy on the ddr5 ram you will hopefully be using or maybe let us load the full game to the HD though I would like to see sony use a SSD instead of a HD. One can dream I guess. As for xbox well it will just upgrade all its parts for more power sense it is mostly just a specialised PC.

The truth be told the 360 is better than the ps3. I have both systems and have some of the same games for both consoles. The 360 loads faster,has better draw in, and better textures. Sure ps3 has bluray,but so far game developers don't seem to be taking advantage of the extra data storage of the bluray for games. The ps3 could possibly be more powerful than the 360,but who cares if developers aren't pushing it. The wii ah what a fluke really it is and was novelty though i am glad to see nintendo do well this turn and hope they come out swinging hard in the next console war. I would like to see nintendo try to build a serious machine able to not only push all their top franchise games to the top level equall to the ps4 and whatever xbox will be called. Why? So nintendo can get its share of the cross platfom profits. I think though just from ease of making games for a system xbox will probably maintain that advantage as their hardware is just upgraded each cycle only a few new programming tricks to learn not a entire new system.Just my humble two cents.

to be honest, im VERY surprised even to this day, that consoles last up to 6 years.
with the rate that technology is growing, im surprised consoles dont come out every 3 years.
i bought my comp decked out for 1000 on sale 3 years ago. just this boxing day i saw a similar one, with a bigger HD for 350.
im amazed gaming consoles last this long with the tech they have. but i think that at the rate technology is growing NOWADAYS, i think gaming systems are gona have to "pick up their game". 3D is here boys. who thinks ps5 is gona be a virtual gaming system!

I will always be the first to say i love my ps3. It is the best core gaming system available. The factors that limit their overall sales comes with their inability to keep exclusive gaming titles and their issue with noy getting the downloadable content that xbox gets. The big argument that all xbox lovers make is that the playstation doesnt have any games compared to xbox. Sony needs to work with the big gaming companies to get exclusive games to only the playstation 3. That will increase product sales to the hardcore gamers that will buy the system for that game. Also, the whole gaming for the whole family doesnt work with the pricetag they are putting on the system. Lower prices for lower memory to prices that compete with the xbox. Allow the big gamers to buy higher GB systems. Typical families dont want to be spending $300 on a 125GB system that they know wont be used. If sony can grab and keep exclusive games, expand the downloadable content to at least what microsoft gets, and lower the price tag to actually compete with xbox, then maybe the sales of the system can be higher. One day, one day.

For the current price of $399.99. The PS4 will rule the world of gaming if it does the following.

1. Come bundled with a game, two controllers, bluray player remote and a kinect style motion gaming camera setup.

2. Triple the graphics memory, power and speed. built in 250GB Solid State Disk.

3. Quadruple the RAM and CPU power. Fully backwards compatible with Ps1, 2 & 3.

4. 3D bluray player with all games having 3D vision on setting for those that have 3D HDTV's

5. Allow up to 24 PS4's to be set up in a private online or offline game lounge network.

If SONY can cram all those goodies into the PS4 for the current price tag (at least for the first year of system release). I guarantee the Playstation will truly be immortalized as video gaming paradise.